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It is suggested that this US political debate is currently one of the most important ones to date, between Clintons E-mail hack causing possibly millions in damages, anti-gun, pro-immigration stance she is currently in the lead between her and Sanders.

I would much prefer having everyone starve in a socialist utopia by Bernie Sanders than have a country be dominated by the bankers behind Hillary Clinton. A lot will be bad if either of these two get presidency.

On the other side we have a christian warlord who is currently going down a path of collecting all the religious people of America. Ted Cruz who also has ties to Goldman Sachs just like Hillary Clinton which means that any poicies they wish to introduce must be met with a comb and brush.

And lastly, we have Donald J Trump, a businessman turn politician who used to be one the elites who worked hand in hand with people like the  Goldman Sachs firm. He understands the power these people have over the influence of the politicians they bribe, as he made his own money not owed by anyone he isn't tied to corporate elites who wish to introduce the TTP act which will devalue the dollar into nothing.

 

Now for some personal options. I feel that a Bernie Sanders vs Donald J Trump would be an amazing debate, I feel that the American people deserve to see such a debate unfold. Unfortunately it seems that Hilary Clinton has just enough Bankers in her pocket to make it through to the finals as they say.

I really don't know the general response will be with a debate against Hilary Client and Donald Trump, I know it would be a spectacle to see though and I am looking forward to seeing it happen but I don't know who would win.

Hilary Clinton has essentially the woman vote, there is no denying this. Her policies seem rocky and with little to no base to them. I don't personally trust her and if I was American I wouldn't vote for her as she hasn't earned my trust. But aside from that her views on equality and the mythical female wage gap will allow her victory over poor Sanders.

Ted Cruz could get a unicorn out of a rabbits butt and manage to get a significant amount of delegates before the final debates but I highly dought he will be able too. The only way Cruz can beat Trump right now is if the GOP takes matters in there own hands and bend their own rules to somehow make Ted be the nominee which seems likely at this point.

Trump has already been a victim of a assignation by some liberals bleeding hearts who listen to the properganda that Trump is a racist, bigot .ect trying to smear his name while endless death threats on twitter get sent to him with little to no repercussions. 

I never really liked Trump, but the fact that the mainstream media is trying to deface his name and make him invalidated shows how much truth this man is saying. 

The constant media attacks against Trump makes me wonder what they are afraid he will uncover when he makes America great again by becoming president? or is it that he has completely self-funded his campaign making him completely untouchable from the Elites ? 

Only time will tell, I for one would vote Trump, his views haven't changed since his started, only his approach to the matter at hand as a good businessman knows how to deal.

Nothing I have found on the internet shows that Trump is a racist or bigoted and I feel that he will actually do something once in power.

 

What do you guys think ? Who would you vote for ? What policies do you feel would be good  to introduce ? 

 

 

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There are a few things you've said that aren't factually true, I just want to point them out (not trying to argue about them, that'll come later :P:

5 hours ago, System said:

Hilary Clinton has essentially the woman vote, there is no denying this.

Ironically not true at all, there doesn't seem to be a difference in men and women overall when voting for Sanders or Clinton. (Sorry for the crappy source, it's the only one I could find quickly. I originally heard this in a news video). 

5 hours ago, System said:

... Trump, his views haven't changed since his started, only his approach to the matter at hand as a good businessman knows how to deal.

Nothing I have found on the internet shows that Trump is a racist or bigoted and I feel that he will actually do something once in power.

One of the most important problems with Trump that I see is that he isn't clear about his stance on many different issues. Very often he'll say contradicting statements, giving us no clear indication of what he will actually do if president. I find this to be the most frustrating. If you can get through the left-wing comedic cheap shots of these videos, I find them to overall be quite strong and true to facts: Video about Trump Video about Trump's plan for a Border Wall 

On the racist note, I would say that although he is not directly racist and many times people are just making too big of a deal over things he says, his campaign encourages racism, or at least does nothing to prevent it. You can see this from how white supremacists and the KKK support him. Also, all the videos of violence at his campaigns are of a single black person getting beat up by all his white supporters. This was honestly quite frightening to watch for me.

 

On my opinion of who would be the best: Personally, I think Donald Trump has some of the vaguest plans as president. As highlighted in parts of those two videos, his plans aren't vague and are mostly inaccurate (like the cost); I get the feeling he says a lot to please his base while not having truly thought through his plans. 

I think Clinton is similar in terms of pleasing her fanbase, and having her versus Trump in the general election will be quite catastrophic for the people of the USA. The two candidates highlight the misunderstanding and extremism in the country on both sides, and how people refuse to collaborate and understand their opponents.

I have no clue about Cruz. I would prefer to not have him as president.

I think Sanders is the most respectable candidate. He never makes cheap shots or insults towards other candidates, and is extremely honourable. Many times the media beg him to diss Clinton, but he righteously says that there is no point, and that it would only hurt relations for the future. He is a strong collaborator and believes in compromise and discussion rather than trying to force something that half the population wants and the other half doesn't. He also has detailed plans (all layed out for the public to read) about his healthcare reform, tax reform, etc. I think this is really great. I also strongly believe in socialism (as a European, I see it work well here), and I'll go through my "Fundamental Theorem of Socialism" that I came up with that noone has every counter-argued (and that I'm open to discussion for!) on my "Amazing Life of Mecmax" blog.

However, just like Trump's fanbase, I think many of Bernie's fans blind themselves in his beliefs and don't collaborate and compromise. It's a shame how the American population has become so extreme, and this is no doubt at least in part due to the sensationalist media and social networks, where people can watch whatever they already agree with. Center-parties don't even exist in the US, it's insane!! I used to be quite a strong liberal, but after noticing that the shows (late night type shows) I watched simply repeat the same jargon over and over, I unsubscribed to a lot of them. I also had some deep discussions with right wing (under European standards, it's more Center in the US) people, who pointed out many problems caused by left-wing beliefs that I completely agree with, like the non-working pay in Europe and how it doesn't encourage people to work. However, as with everything in the world, I think collaboration between the Right, Left and Center will bring the best solutions, as long as you stay true to facts.

Also the reason why why the US Congress is such s***.

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Yeah, I see from hindsight that I was a little bias towards Trump, I know that he has flip-flop'd on certain policies, for instance, instead of banning all Muslims, he just wants to remove all illegal immigrants. Which I think is fair enough. I also see your point from that video aswell that his policies don't completely add up, both logistically and financially but neither does Sanders, Clinton or Cruz with a fine enough comb.

2 hours ago, Mecmax said:

Ironically not true at all, there doesn't seem to be a difference in men and women overall when voting for Sanders or Clinton. (Sorry for the crappy source, it's the only one I could find quickly. I originally heard this in a news video). 

Just did a little check and your right on the woman votes, it used to be heavily favored towards Hillary because of her stance of *** Rights and the push on "Equality" but it seems like most of them have "felt the burn" since I last checked. Cheers for the correction,

 

2 hours ago, Mecmax said:

his campaign encourages racism, or at least does nothing to prevent it. You can see this from how white supremacists and the KKK support him. Also, all the videos of violence at his campaigns are of a single black person getting beat up by all his white supporters. This was honestly quite frightening to watch for me.

Okay, Gotta clear this up, The Black Lives Matter movement that goes to Trump speeches to protest, are the actual racists. Think about it in a critical thinking mindset. They divide people into categories of which the liberals themselves create, (you cis-male) and place you in a completely imaginary hierarchical system and  accuse anyone who doesn't follow their core believes as a bigot or racist.

Note: Who are the people showing the face, who are the people who are hiding behind masks?

 

Not only this the movement itself has become degenerated with pre-graduates who know nothing of the real world that spew

 

And even more so, the actual leader of The Black Lives Matter group is racist:

 

 

I don't want to come across as I am defending Trump but this movement also does harm to Socialist who want to help them:

Bernie wants to make the welfare state stronger allowing these people to live without a Job and they still aren't happy.

 

Yes, Trump has said some racist things in the past but as he has calmed down on that approach I personally believe it was his marketing tool to get into the presidential race to begin with, along with the anti - PC crap.

Also lastly on this racist part, David Duke is a d***, he shouldn't of publicly endorced Trump and I think that was another marketing stunt on Dukes part, although Trump does say he denounces Duke:

So some steps have been taken to show that Trump does like white supremacists but he can't control who does,. Generally of course. 

Most of the people who like Trump are the working people, not the minority of racists although I am sure some are found next to all the candidates ever to run. Even Abe Lincoln probs haha.

" I think Clinton is similar in terms of pleasing her fan base, and having her versus Trump in the general election will be quite catastrophic for the people of the USA. The two candidates highlight the misunderstanding and extremism in the country on both sides, and how people refuse to collaborate and understand their opponents. "

Yeah, I think you are right, that is probably one of the reasons why I wanted a Trump vs Sanders. It would quite rightly be a far right vs far left debate and no one will be able to recognize a middle in that. So you are correct.

 

"I have no clue about Cruz. I would prefer to not have him as president. "

Same as me, I know he has gone on a religious turn collecting a lot of christian votes and holding the bible high before a debate ect. I also don't want him as president.

 

2 hours ago, Mecmax said:

I think Sanders is the most respectable candidate. He never makes cheap shots or insults towards other candidates, and is extremely honourable. Many times the media beg him to diss Clinton, but he righteously says that there is no point, and that it would only hurt relations for the future. He is a strong collaborator and believes in compromise and discussion rather than trying to force something that half the population wants and the other half doesn't. He also has detailed plans (all layed out for the public to read) about his healthcare reform, tax reform, etc. I think this is really great. I also strongly believe in socialism (as a European, I see it work well here), and I'll go through my "Fundamental Theorem of Socialism" that I came up with that noone has every counter-argued (and that I'm open to discussion for!) on my "Amazing Life of Mecmax" blog.

Good to see we can start of by agreeing that Sanders is indeed the most respectable candidate so far, although.....

"He never makes cheap shots or insults towards other candidates", this is also a reason why he is losing. In today's force-fed media, the masses crave entertainment, I think that's also why Trump has half the votes on the the Republic side. People today love short sticky lines rather than meaningful convocations.. I mean Donald Trumpf FFS.... this is how people vote nowadays and its a disgrace and I'm not even freaking American but I appreciate having a fair and reasonable debate which the left don't want any part of.

Sanders is too honorable, if you look at the later video I posted above of him, he is too submissive to be a presidential leader. I don't see any fire in his heart at all, unfortunately I feel that he came into this race 12 years too late. Also I don't see how President Sanders will show the power of the American people when he turns America into a socialist utopia, where everyone is dying of hunger because no one can specialize and earn their family a decent life because half of everything you earn goes to everyone else. This is why socialism fails and why Sanders shouldn't be in. Capitalism so far is the only system in place in the world where people have the right and the ability to make their own company and become one of the largest companies and riches after years of hard work.

The only parts where Capitalism fails is when it gets poked and twisted by politicians and elites who benefit from international trades that it no longer works towards the people and works for corporations. But this is another reason why I feel Trump is a major asset as he was once part of this establishment that Sanders wishes to demolish, Trump knows indefinitely how it as a system functions and how to truly stop the 1% bankrupting our countries. Remember, this isn't just America this is the entire western civilization in turn we are talking about aswell. Us brits love capitalism. And yeah, Ill love to check out your full views about socialism later on, I will definitely find it an interesting read.

 

 Lastly, I agree with your last two paragraphs, Everyone is blinded as I also mentioned above, and  US Congress is s***.

 

The last two videos shows the full degeneracy of this political movement and how it is slowly corroding us as a species to essentially annihilation 

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Wow, that was a lot of content to go through :P 

I don't have too much to comment on, I mostly see your points and agree with a lot of what you say. I do think there unfortunately are extremists who end up as racists towards white people and american southerners, resorting to stereotypes (like the s*** the lady was saying to the trump supporters.. That was really painful to watch). It reminded me of a podcast (StarTalk with Neil DeGrasse Tyson), where he interviews these engineers from South/Mainland USA, who have really strong southern accents and who people would generally stereotype as being not very smart. 

Once again, I think comes down to communication between groups: The Black Lives Matter think protest is the answer, which backfires quite strongly with people who aren't as accepting. It's honestly a pretty unconvincing way of fighting for their beliefs, so it's no wonder you have people that don't understand their message. 

However, I would like to point out that Sanders does not want to make the whole state socialist. The way I see it, (as someone from the center), some areas of a country need lots of government regulation (like education, which ideally is cheap or free), but others not at all (like when starting a business; this is a big problem in France and non-existent in the US. Hence why their country is very popular to start companies in). I don't think it's fair for you to say Sanders wants a "socialist utopia". Maybe that's what some of his supporters want, but they would be extremists, just like the extremists on Trump's side. Sanders is a politician that will be enforcing things like green energy and better taxing systems on the rich, not a communist leader that wants everyone to be paid and not work (in a socialist country, you would work just as much as in a capitalist country, there simply less risk involved if you can't find a job, and it's tougher to be a billionaire because of higher taxes on the rich). 

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