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  1. 4 points
    Ravek

    A hard decision

    Ever since my friends invited me onto this server, I started playing on it daily, I started to learn the names of the members and staff, Learned the way that JR wants to run. I joined the server at the age of 13/14. Played on it to this very day. When I got to talking to staff often, I started wanting to help JR grown and be a better community. I would stay on all night while all the EU staff were sleeping, and take screen shots of people cursing, cheating, or griefing. (being a tattle tale) I tried everything I could to become apart of the staff. It was my dream goal to one day be wearing a red name tag in the Minecraft server under "Admin". I maybe tried too hard to become staff as I would try and beat the staff to the problem and try to fix it myself. Posted on forums to try and get activity up. I tried all I could, attended every meeting. The day came on my 16th birthday I could apply for helper. I was so happy, It took a few days for them to look over it but finally I was accepted as a Helper. I was the happiest guy alive. Then I continued to strive to work up the ranks and do my best and help the Owner, Admins, and Mods in anyway I could. When I was promoted to Grief Police at the time, was another amazing day for me, I ran around my house (literally) to get my excitement out of the way. Grief Police was later merged into Moderator, Which is where I stand. I have thought about this for many days. This might be the hardest thing I have ever had to do. There comes a point in our lives where we all must say goodbye to something, someone, or some place that we love. It's never easy. But today I must make one of those hard goodbyes, Today is the day I feel I must step down from management. There are a few reasons for this. First, my current life situation doesn't give me a whole lot of time to be active enough to help and support the server/community. Second, I joined this community for the Minecraft aspect, and as I feel the majority of the community is now past the Minecraft aspect. I feel there is not much for me to do here. Third, I don't really offer any help anymore. Everything JR as a whole needs help with from staff is either beyond my abilities or in games that I do not own or play. I will never forget this amazing time I have had here, nor will I ever leave the community. This will always be my home, staying up late talking to members and staff. Getting to know such amazing people. Everyone here has had a place in my heart since I got to know them. All the staff were so helpful and caring. I have never had bad times being here. I have always had people to rely on and count on to pick me up when I'm feeling down. I will always recommended this place to anyone as it is nothing but inspiration. So many amazing unique people. I wish I coulda done more for the server but I did what I was capable of doing. This my last post as staff at JR. I will always remember and love this place. I hope one day I will be able to bring my daughter to come play here. ❤️ People that I want to thank specifically: Serena, Djexecute, Noni, JuggaGirl, Chris, harsol, kickyabutt24, Barbermiss, Mrcoconut2012, AnioNovus, p4ck3ts3nd3r, Risen Havoc, UploadGFX, Daisuke, Lightning Potatoe People that really made an impact on me: Sophie and Frosty. I am sorry if I forget anyone, there were a lot of people so many years ago that were so fun to talk to and play with. Most importantly thank you Jamie for making this a thing and keeping it going even in rough times. I wish I coulda done more to support financially. But thank you for making this all possible I will not forget you.
  2. 4 points
    Emma

    Screenshot of 5 dinos

    Hey guys! Please post screenshots of the 5 dinos that you want to keep here! 🤩
  3. 4 points
    Snowball

    Need help / ideas

    My advice for the JR supplydrop would be: Dino's: 5 Dinos currently owned by players to take with you (including current dino lvl) 5 Cryopods 1 saddle per chosen dinos Utility: 200 cooked meat 500 narcotics 250 stimulant 50 taming sedative 20 element Gear: 1-2 Metal Hatchet 1-2 Metal Pick 1-2 Metal sickle 1 Metal pike 1 shotgun 50 shotgun rounds 1 Crossbow 50 arrows 1 set of flak gear 1 backpack (if still used) 1 Canteen Buildings: 16 foundations 1 dino gate 1 dino gateway 16 Ceilings 56 Walls 1 vault 1 upgrade station + attachments (if still used) This should let ppl have a decent start without giving to much of a head start to newer players. Please review the list and let me know what you guys think. Maybe some stuff needs to be removed or added.
  4. 3 points
    N3RV3

    New game events

    Hello Everyone! First of all I'd like to thank Jamie and the rest of the staff for this opportunity and their support. I'd like to start off by saying that if anyone ever needs help with anything or sees me online, feel free to introduce yourself. I don't mind the company at all. Now to get to the point, I plan to start creating events on a regular basis where the winner gets to be rewarded. I can assure you that the reward will be decent and something useful, but most importantly, my aim is to make the events relaxing yet fun, where we can all just join a server have a laugh, joke around and make the best of the time we'd have during that event. Keep in mind that in order to get this going I will need as much feedback as possible. So I'm going to ask you to let me know which server you'd like to see an event happen on. Any ideas will also be welcomed and appreciated. I currently have some plans for events on both Conan Exiles & Ark however if anyone is more interested to see events on other servers please let me know so that we can start working on them and get this going on, With your feedback and support I'll be doing my best to get an event happening once every week if possible. Also for those interested, I'll probably be recording/streaming the events in case anyone misses the events and would like to see what happened. Thank you & hope to see you guys in game soon!
  5. 3 points
    xJake7

    Hi i'm xjake7

    I am xJake7 and I have joined JR around a fortnight ago, but I was a member of JR a few months ago but wasn't very active so I left. I want to be a lot more active in the JRNetwork and in the Discord. I look forward to talking to all of you. Bye for now 😄
  6. 3 points
    Jamie

    Need help / ideas

    Guys, Its been a week, we don't want to fully rush things and as I stated to @Snowball privately I wouldn't have time till the start of the week to make any more movement. You guys have to understand I work a full 40 hour a week job have many more responsibilities than just JR. JR of course has admins to help at any times they can but we all have a life. I'd understand if this was dragged out 2, 3 weeks without any staff input on the topic but we have been posting when we have chance. Restarting an entire ark cluster isn't a two second job. I have many checks internally to complete before I do this as I want to ensure this does not happen again. Please stay patient our new ARK servers will be operational at some point during the start of next week i imagine. Just remember i pay big money for our servers out of my back pocket and we work on JR when possible. Unfortunately sometimes life gets in the way and I hope you can understand this. JR isn't a quick and easy thing to run, to run correctly I do more behind the scenes than people actually are aware. We run Linux servers for a reason but that also complicates some things. Things aren't like your computer such as clicking one button to install things. There is a lot of automation to keep things running while I am away and this has to be all setup before things are put in place. As for this week it took me a few days to sort a serious issue on our servers that caused major issues with how our servers were running. In relation to this ARK install I want to make things easier for our admins to manage the server so I will be looking at a new way of integrating ARK in to our panel. This will take a few days in it self of testing to ensure everything works as intended. Please again remain patient we will be working very hard on this when I get back so JR ARK will exceed your expectations and be a way better experience than in the past few weeks
  7. 3 points
    MarcusFaren

    Need help / ideas

    3 mod start S+ Taming sedative Tek Helper
  8. 3 points
    Chris

    Need help / ideas

    We don't need ACM, it's a convenience thing; that is more of an inconvenience these days as it doesn't work 95% of the time. Also can you narrow your list of essentials down to 3 mods, we are trying to start off small to ensure maximum compabitility between the mods used.
  9. 3 points
    Chris

    Need help / ideas

    Reading @MarcusFaren's and @Snowball's posts they both raise certain points. Mods do add new IDs for stuff, however if they are created properly as clean and stackable mods it wouldn't matter about moving dinos from one server that doesn't have the mod to one that does. They should revert to standard vanilla dinos. For example we could uninstall Classic Flyers right now and all your dinos would still be there, just they would no longer be classic flyer versions of the dinos they would revert to vanilla. As far as I'm aware the Aberration and Scorched Earth mods were installed on the appropriate servers and assumed to be clean and stackable, we also had to rush to install them as the last mods we were using for the engrams got pulled from the workshop randomly and stopping people from connecting to the servers. If we do a supply drop as opposed to allowing transfers we would be able to provide downloads to the old maps so that people would be able to play them locally if they wished. We will also realease the mod list so you could carry on with these worlds on your own local game. On @IAMSNOWMAN's concerns about this just being a map reset, we should be setting up a completely new set of servers from scratch to ensure no files are carried over. @heaven I understand what you're going through, you're new to the game and don't want to lose all that you've worked for. However you could look at this in another light, taking all that you've learned so far to improve how you play the game when you start fresh. I found that when playing ark to begin with it was handy to start over as I found better ways to do things and had an idea of what I needed to survive. As the map randomly resetting isn't going to stop overnight, we need to take drastic action to fix this as it is happening so much. I completely understand that you don't want to lose your work, no one does. As we are compensating players with 5 dinos we can make these utility dinos to help you with resource gathering.
  10. 2 points
    Jamie

    New game events

    It's great to have you on the team @N3RV3. If people are not aware @N3RV3 is in charge in creating events with the community whether its group meet ups or events with rewards. I dont have any time to do this so it will be good for us to have a dedicated person. I'm glad to have selected @N3RV3 for this, expect brilliant things. I'm up for any events that you the community want and I'll be sure to join in on everything that I can, when I'm not working.
  11. 2 points
    Jason Plank

    New game events

    Hi Nerve That sounds like fun. I'm currently only playing on Conan Exiles with iRmandos and we're really enjoying. It will be nice to see more players 😁. I would also join in on Minecraft, but I unfortunately don't have the Java edition.
  12. 2 points
    IAMSNOWMAN

    Jr valguero- map reset?

    Hey all, I just wanted to make a short post to update you all that although it may seem that most items have been lost in ARK, don't worry! we're currently working to resolve this. It seems that following from the recent Ark update, all server configurations have been wiped. However, we do have backups and will be reloading these later this evening. Until then, the server has been closed. Sorry for the inconvenience which this has caused and we'll update you once this has been resolved!
  13. 2 points
    N3RV3

    Cool base locations on ark: valguero

    I figured it would be useful to have a guide when it comes to building locations on the new map Valguero, however this does not mean that I've fully explored the whole map. There might still be cool area which I've yet to come across. Some of these area I heard of from others, some I found online and others I've come across by accident while exploring the map looking for resource & animal locations. To start off, the best Spawn Location is Small Islands, the reason being that it's considered as a Herbivore island, with basic resources to start off and relatively safe from any raptors or other carnivores which is known to roam other spawning locations. All Spawn Locations can be found below: Base Location 1 - Estimated Coordinates are 85 Lat 86 Lon This area is quite large, easily accessible with plenty of resources around. Few carnivores around and if you're using this area you shouldn't get bothered by them. There's plenty of room for those who would like to add to the current structure and expand outwards. Base Location 2 - Estimated Coordinates are 81 Lat 80 Lon This area is practically an open cave. There's resources all around, good flat area to build on, covered from at least 3 sides including above you, it is easy to access, however Carnos, Allos & Raptors are seen in the vicinity.. Base Location 3 - Estimated Coordinates are 79 Lat 82 Lon This is a nice flat island surrounded by cliffs & waterfalls on 3 sides. There is a decent amount of basic resources, relatively safe although some carnivores can be spotted around the area. For those with imagination, there's a lot of possibilities and opportunities to expand this area. Dino wise, there are only two narrow areas to pass from or dropping from above which will end up in the water. Base Location 4 - Estimated Coordinates are 79 Lat 66 Lon This area is only accessible with flyers. It is relatively safe with a rare spawn of a raptor among other herbivores. Nice are to build in, flat and surrounded by water, however dinos can drop from above which will practically land on or inside your base. There's very few resources inside but can be found close by once you get out of the hole. Base Location 5 - Estimated Coordinates are 62 Lat 11 Lon For those who have seen Lord of the Rings before, I consider this area as Helm's Deep. This can be accessed from 2 areas which can easily be closed off by putting gates. There's enough room inside to build a good base and plenty of room outside to store some dinos around. On the left side there's water supply with enough room for a green house & a large tree for platform & tree sap. Outside the area plenty of terror birds have been seen however it is easy and possible to expand further. Basic Resources are abundant, metal, crystal and other resources I've yet to look around more. Base Location 6 - Estimated Coordinates are 46 Lat 87 Lon This area is found close to the swamp, and it is a bit annoying to reach, however it is quite safe. The only visible issue is the lack of space for those who enjoy building large bases. There's plenty of resources including a couple of metal nodes as well. Quite easy to close of and enough room to store dinos and build a decent base. Base Location 7 - Estimated Coordinates are 37 Lat 81 Lon A small area which is easily protected from other wild dinos. Although there is not enough room to build a whole lot, it is an easy location from where to expand further around. accessible only by the 2 bridges, plenty of water around, crystal can be found close by and enough room to build a small base and store a couple of dinos. Area around is quite flat with room for expansion. Base Location 8 - Estimated Coordinates are 37 Lat 90 Lon This large Castle is quite safe. No aggressive dinos have been seen around the area. It is accessible either by flyers or a cave like entrance below the bridge, however only small dinos can pass through, other dinos need to be carried or teleported to the castle. There are plenty of rooms and floors to build in and any holes can be covered up or used as an extra entrance to the castle. Not a whole lot of room for large dinos & metal nodes are yet to be found, however it's a good location for those who like a challenge as there's room for improvement and expansion. Base Location 9 -Estimated Coordinates are 63 Lat 50 Lon This is personally my favorite area to build in especially in PVE. There's a very large flat area for those who like to build large structures, considerably safe as barely any carnivores have been seen in this location. Easy access to water with enough room for water dinos as well. Easy to close off and protect from wild dinos. Plenty of resources around. Metal & Crystal are close by, especially with a flyer. Base Location 10 - Estimated Coordinates are 76 Lat 48 Lon This location has plenty of resources and the trees around can be easily used to build platforms and link them together for further space. the castle can be fixed leaving enough room to build a small starting area. There's also enough room around to expand a bit more as well. Basic resources are abundant however it is a bit dangerous as carnos and troodons have been seen in the area. Other cool Locations for those who enjoy building inside caves: First Cave - Estimates Coordinates are 37 Lat 90 Lon I've looked around and even though it has two entrances I couldn't find a walk way to this cave. As far as I know it is only accessible by a flyer, however there's plenty of room inside and both entrances can be closed off if desired. Basic resources in the area are abundant. The inside of the cave: Second Cave - Estimated Coordinates are 33 Lat 10 Lon There are 2 entrances to this cave , both are found behind the waterfall. one at the bottom of the cliff the other at the top. There's plenty of room to build on the outside and a huge area to build on the inside. The cave itself has a lot of metal nodes rock nodes and crystal, on the outside there's a decent amount of wood. Slightly dangerous to start off but can be easily closed off and defended from wild dinos. Inside the cave you have access to the deep water with plenty of room for waters dinos & breeding as well. The water area seems safe however I haven't been able to explore that further as it's huge. So far my favorite cave to build in as you have almost access to everything with enough room to build large buildings. Inside the Cave: Feel free to let me know if you've found better locations. Thanks & hope this helps. The below is a location of a farm if anyone is looking for free access to potatoes and carrots. Estimated Coordinates are 55 Lat 50 Lon
  14. 2 points
    Jamie

    Halo mcc - coming to pc and reach?

    AS many of you know I'm a huge halo fan, Now it's been announced that Halo: Master Chief Collection is coming to PC finally! Who's excited? It sounds good. And Halo reach has also been confirmed
  15. 2 points
    Jamie

    Extinction resetted

    Apologies, that time it was my fault. This is now resolved
  16. 2 points
    Jamie

    Extinction resetted

    I will have to fix this tomorrow as I'm not around till then, sorry about this but it will be sorted. Thanks
  17. 2 points
    Jamie

    Jr ark servers

    We wanted to do this, but currently there is no way automated possible. This is due to the way ARK is coded and there is nothing I can do about this currently I will look in to it again to see if anything has changed but no promises currently.
  18. 2 points
    Jamie

    Jr ark servers

    Nothing was lost, everything was transfered to a new server cluster yesterday. Please see the new IP's found on our server list. I haven't had a chance to create a news article yet.
  19. 2 points
    I haven't yet heard from you to get your dino spawned @heaven, do you still need help or has this been solved?
  20. 2 points
    Chris

    Fallout 76

    I got a refund
  21. 2 points
    Jamie

    Need help / ideas

    So the time has come, I'm working to get the new servers online today. Please note the following: I will only be picking 3 - 4 mods to begin with. Mods may be added in the future I will keep the old game data if anyone wants a download PM me and I'll send you the map I will only get the new servers online if clustering works I will release the list of mods and more information when ready.
  22. 2 points
    heaven

    Need help / ideas

    Not trying to offend any one. I do respect people's voluntary input. But responding on a forum doenst realy take a lot of time? After dropping the issue "bomb", there is no point in playing Ark. About the rushing part?. We are waiting nicely, and it would be nice to keep us updated? I totally agree with Snowball. Add the new server and let us start. Cause no one knows how long we need to wait politely. Then the staff can sort the problems and we can do something aswell.
  23. 2 points
    Snowball

    Need help / ideas

    This is going to sound a bit like a rant but the post above is striking a bit of a nerve. Please keep in mind that all i want is for the ARK cluster to thrive. Something i feel this recent issue is not helping at all. Let me start off by saying: Rushing is a non-discussion since its been almost a week... Most of the data required has been supplied by the community so far, not by the JR staff. This is ofcourse not a problem but now that action is required by the staff we hear nothing outside of a couple we are working "hard" on this issue. Something i find highly unlikely considering the responses and input. I always liked playing at JR and the active role the admins normally had in the community. This issue has risen alot of concerns on my end and is making me rethink wether i would like to keep waiting .... word of advice: Maybe next time make sure there is enough time on hand for a followup action when announcing something as impactfull as this.
  24. 2 points
    Snowball

    Need help / ideas

    I would like to express a bit of concern about the JR ARk servers. As someone that has done most of the legwork for this decision, despite not having any issues myself, i feel like there is no sence of urgency on the JR staff side. Since the announcement on tuesday the ARK servers have been empty. Like Heaven mentioned in the post above this one, can we get this issue sorted before we lose all ARK players on this cluster? Adding the new server and letting people start on that one while you sort the other ones would have resolved this days ago.
  25. 2 points
    Snowball

    Need help / ideas

    I agree with Marcus but might i add that S+ should be exampt from the choice (thus starting with 4 mods) since this is such a well known and very highly used mod on alot of servers. This mod has been tried and tested. If we go by my idea,, i would add More Narc & Tranq aswell since this (in combination with marcus's modlist) will give people the best chance at rebuilding quickly. @Jamie @Chris Where do we post proof of the 5 dinos?
  26. 2 points
    Snowball

    Need help / ideas

    @JamieMost of the players i know have checked the post if i look at whos read it. Only Jeremy is missing but i havent sen him online in a few days. If i see any online i will tell them.
  27. 1 point
    Jamie

    Ark server not responding

    This should be resolved now.
  28. 1 point
    Emma

    Cool base locations on ark: valguero

    Nice job Nerve! Thank you so much for making this. I am at base location 6 atm with my argy, the place from yesterday! I am thinking about building here but I feel like it's so far away from everything else.. Also I haven't checked the area out yet, just saw this place and thought it was awesome! I might go check out your other suggestions, they really look cool
  29. 1 point
    Jamie

    Decoration mod

    Apologies I've been rather busy with work. I will be back properly next week.
  30. 1 point
    MarcusFaren

    Decoration mod

    Rp Visual Storage (for a realistic visual storage) https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1445181373 or Eco Trees (for a good garden) https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=670764308
  31. 1 point
    MarcusFaren

    The future of ark servers?

    Hello, Now that the holidays are over, how will the sequel go for the upgrade of the ARK servers, with the mods? As for example add these: Classic Flyer, Super spyglass, More Narc & Tranq, Upgrading station, Dino Pick up and Pearl Converter. These are all small mods, very useful and many people do not come back here because of the lack of some of them. 😭 Because the servers run very well without too much trouble, and no more crashes 😍 and know when the dinos would go back to level 300 in wild =)? 😊 (for more difficulties and fun) Marcus
  32. 1 point
    Jamie

    My char is gone

    As per discord conv this has now been resolved: I will close this topic now as no further action is required.
  33. 1 point
    Jamie

    My char is gone

    I've taken a look at this, and for some reason you seemed to be stuck in the cluster, it looked like you had entered an obelisk / terminal and the game got stuck. I'm not sure why this would have happened. I have restored your arkprofile from our backup system, on login you should have access to your profile now. Please let me know if this is resolved so I can close this forum topic. @heaven Enjoy your day, - Rebel
  34. 1 point
    Jamie

    Extinction reset again =( day 3

    This is now resolved. Apologies about the delay. I'm not around at the moment.
  35. 1 point
    Robbie

    Extinction reset again =( day 3

    i will pass this a long to the admin team for you. sorry for the delay. Jamie is off for a couple of days.
  36. 1 point
    MarcusFaren

    My char is gone

    for ragnarok it's a bug, I already had =), it should not be without worry. (This is due to the cave where we are, the closer you are to the ceiling of the cave, the more you risk getting through). MarcusF
  37. 1 point
    Jamie

    Extinction resetted

    This should be resolved.
  38. 1 point
    QwertyCore

    Jr ark servers

    @heaven if you have an issue make a bug report. Don't make an unrelated reply on an already existing thread.
  39. 1 point
    Jamie

    Jr ark servers

    Keep building I won't remove your structures. I'll work something out. We might only get rid of abberation to save RAM for the mean time. I'm sorry we have to remove at least 1 of the servers. it's just very hard to afford JR. I'm working on the new servers now. Everything will be transfered over so you won't loose a thing.
  40. 1 point
    MarcusFaren

    Jr ark servers

    There is little player to develop on Ragnarok. (there are more on ragnarok than on all the server groups (but some are new players) our biggest bases are on the island and extinction, and you ask us to choose between those precisely I understand the financial worries if I did not have one too, I will already have to pay money here. but i can only choose the island because our dinos and main resources if found. but on extinction @heaven plays it most often ... hard to choose. go on to extinction and the island and you will understand by seeing our work has been long. the cluster shrinks and that's what made me come here to play our tribe compose of 5 members (4 originally played since the restart @MarcusFaren @heaven @Snowball @Wraith) still hundreds of hours that will be spoiled 😭 as they are new server we will have to start all over again? @Chris
  41. 1 point
    heaven

    Lost my char

    solved transfer didnt work so you can close topic
  42. 1 point
    QwertyCore

    Subnautica: below zero gallery

    So I've played a lot of Subnautica Below Zero recently and I thought I'd share the many many screenshots I took during my time! (This will be nearly all of them so just a warning, there's going to be a lot)
  43. 1 point
    QwertyCore

    Your a winner

    Sorry about the inconvenience, we'll get the code to you as soon as we can! 😄
  44. 1 point
    Jamie

    Need help / ideas

    The new servers are currently under development, I will report back with news as it is available. Please note that while they are under active development, this does not mean they will be deployed today.
  45. 1 point
    heaven

    Need help / ideas

    we are waiting for a solution? It would be nice to hear what will be done? Personally i would like to continue playing Ark. So an update would be nice.
  46. 1 point
    Chris

    Need help / ideas

    Whenever I spawn dinos in to replace those people have lost I make sure they are of equal level if not higher @Snowball For the 3 mods I would suggest Structures plus, is there any other way to build on ark? Classic Flyers, And a stacking mod
  47. 1 point
    Jamie

    Need help / ideas

    @IAMSNOWMAN this is why we won't be just resetting the map, we will be removing all mods and putting a few mods on to begin with. In relation to this we could have a certain drop for newer players and another drop for older players. But the max given should be a drop for the older players. We don't have many new players, and the new ones we have had have left due to the map corruptions. For the few new players that have started we could create custom drops for them to get them back to where they were, with the limitation of things given being the max drop similar to what @Snowball has stated
  48. 1 point
    heaven

    Need help / ideas

    For pro players its pretty decent i assume. But i am a new player. Cryopods and an upgrading post, i cant yet use?. The only usefull stuff for a new player is basicly the pick,sickle, hatchet, pike and bow. I understand the problem. And it seems inevitably. But it does work a little demotivating for me. I finally was busy building fun stuff. Deleting everything will be bringing me back to the day i bought Ark and started playing the first day. I dont have the knowledge like you pro players yet. You all will be back up in no time. But as a new player it will take me a while to get where i am at the moment.
  49. 1 point
    Snowball

    Need help / ideas

    I have also had a look at the mods on the server now and by my opinion this is what they should be ranked as: Red = known to cause issues Green = very convenient I marked the backpack as nice to have since it could be replaced with a stacking mod. Maybe as an addition to the intended gift you could let established players take a handfull of their dinos with them (dino levels included) but limiting this to a max amount of for example 3-5 dinos (of their own choice). Rule being the dino is currently owned by that player ofcourse. I would like to ask everyone for a speedy decision since if we are intended on wiping everything, all the work people do from now to the wipe would be pointless and an absolute waste of time.
  50. 1 point
    I mean like I'm just working on whatever this room is gonna end up being
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